From: Tara, night_of_light@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: seance: where you hear it second
Date: 2/22/2002 1:51:29 AM
To: paigem@knology.net
markp@mitchworldusa.net
seance@lists.no-fi.com


You know, I've thought long and hard about writing this post.  It isn't my 
intention to start a big brouhaha.  But this is bothering me and I want to 
get it off my chest.  Is it me, or does there seem to be this widening 
divide between Seance and Hotel Womb?  Comments have been made that lead me 
to believe that some of the people who visit Hotel Womb on a regular basis 
are somewhat contemptuous of Seance and its members, a stance which makes 
me rather sad.  You can kind of see why they'd feel that way, though, what 
with SK calling us weird or computer geeks or whatever, and comments like 
these from Petrina and John S's interview with Marty and Steve:

MWP: And there,s the sort of a one where people talk 
about...themselves...and..... The Church.

SK: It,s called OESeance, in America.   I think that,s ?eterna.com?, is that 
?eterna.com??
js:  It,s now ?seance@listserv.no-fi.com?

MWP: If I was gonna look at the Seance list I,d probably rather be watching 
The Young and the Restless.

p:  Is it like a soap opera?   A lot of those lists can be like that.  I,m 
only on one, but?they,re funny.
MWP: Not if you don,t look at them, they,re not!

p: No I suppose, but they,re there to support you, they,re there....they 
like your music.
MWP: Yeah sure - the guy who killed John Lennon liked his music too!
js: Ouch.

And now it would seem that Hotel Womb is privy to information that people 
on Seance wouldn't get if they didn't visit Hotel Womb.  I don't see 
why.  The band and those around the band know about this list.  In fact, 
before there was Shadow Cabinet, even, there was Seance.  If there's 
information that's of value to fans, why not share it with all fans and not 
just the ones at one particular site?  Or better yet, why not do so on the 
Church's official webpage?  For the longest time, Shadow Cabinet was THE 
place to find out the information and we were all one glorious whole, 
coming together and championing the band.  I miss that atmosphere that was 
going on around HOB and the whole Church Army and everything.  This whole 
us and them thing is bringing me down.
I like Seance and not having to remember who belongs to what "handle."  So 
this is where I'll stay.  That's just my personal preference.  But why 
should it make any difference?  I don't see why anyone should have to 
choose one over the other.  I'm not dissing either side, but why does there 
even have to be sides?  We're all fans, dammit.  Why don't Marty and Steve 
like Seance?  I mean, sure, some people didn't believe SK when he posted 
here about the guitar.  But they didn't believe it was really him in 
Antenna, either, and he had to call someone's cell phone to prove it.  And 
yes, there was Martygate, but I don't think that anything about Martygate 
warrants a comparison between members of this list and Mark David Chapman.

Why can't we all just get along? ;)  I always have a lot of fun with 
Wombers and other Seancers alike when I go to Antenna.  It'd be a lot more 
fun without someone joking, "You're a Seancer?  Oh, no, you'll have to go," 
even if they don't really mean anything by it.

Tara

At 08:11 PM 2/21/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>klk is a very generous and kind fan who is helping with the funding and
>organization of the tour.  You will see him (as kk) on the thank you list
>inside AENT. He's very private about his identity but a damn nice guy if
>you catch him on Antenna.  He's been there often recently.
>
>Hotel Womb is a great source of information.  If any of you are interested,
>go to www.hotelwomb.com.
>
>Mark...I KNOW your point of view on this!  :-)
>
>Paige
>
>
>
>At 09:54 AM 2/21/2002 -0800, Mark P wrote:
> >
> >Yeah, we've been kicked around enough and we ain't gonna take it
> >anymore!!!!  Or not ...
> >
> >Just who is klk anyhow, we know who Ktk is!
> >
> >A Kilbey boy?  The senior of the Brothers K?  Anybody know fer sher?
> >
> >m
> >

"I can't explain what I mean.  And even if I could, I'm not sure I'd feel 
like it." -- Holden Caulfield


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