From: Tony Pucci, puccifish@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Seance Digest #853 - 02/12/02 Date: 2/12/2002 2:49:30 AM To: seance@lists.no-fi.com Hello All. Some of you might know me as "puccifish" at the Hotelwomb. I also run the "volumes" link there, which is a mp3 link site for original (and some covers) music by Church fans. A few wombers are involved, but I'd like to get more Church fans involved as well. You can check it out via the link at the Hotel Womb, or it's at http://www.wombmusic.homestead.com I'd like to extend an invite to any seance musicians with a mp3 page to send me your url, and I'll put a link to your site there. Also, in the future Dave (the HW PharoaH) is planning on getting an online HotelWomb Radio Station up and going, strictly for the original works of church fan musicians. I'd be running it, and as such would like as much diversity as possible. It would be for original works only, due to copyright laws. But let me know. There's a lot of great music out there. Check out the mp3s there...I'm looking forward to hearing your music as well. Take care. Tony Pucci >From: "Seance List" >To: "Seance List" >Subject: Seance Digest #853 - 02/12/02 >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:00:01 -0800 > >Seance Digest #853 - Tuesday, February 12, 2002 > > Re: Numbers lyrics > by "Kevin J. Bonham" > Moron critic gets his own back :) > by "Kevin J. Bonham" > AENT > by "Rushby, L.A." > Re: AENT (Seen It Coming) > by "Mike Fulmer" > Re: ****Warning Church Sign Spoiler**** > by "Robert M. Holley" > Re: Rothko > by "Brian Hamill" > Re: Tenacious D > by "Brian Hamill" > eBay and bootlegs > by > Re: Another bloody fan review for AENT > by > Cartoon noise > by "Jack Scanlon" > Re: Moron critic gets his own back :) > by > RE:AENT > by > Grant McLennan?? > by "Jesse Taylor" > Re: Cartoon noise > by "Mark P" > RE: Moron Reviewer > by "guilty tyrant" > Re: AENT (Seen It Coming) > by "Mark P" > Re: Cartoon noise > by > Re: Cartoon noise > by > Re: Cartoon noise > by "Mark P" > eBay and bootlegs bootleg CD's are not automatically illegal > by "Robert Holdridge" > Art and Cartoons (NC) > by > craigie*... i lost your addy n.c. > by "ms. netochka nezvanova" > Re: eBay and bootlegs bootleg CD's are not automatically illegal > by > more aent > by "spirit stiff" > Re: craigie*... i lost your addy n.c. > by "Mark P" > aent and mems > by "daniel farquharson" > answer to the critics > by "Jonathan Sargeant" > Radiotronics, baby! > by "Dave Swaringen" > Re: Radiotronics, baby! > by "Mark P" > RE: Radiotronics, baby! > by "Hayden Scott" > Re: Radiotronics, baby! > by "Tara" > Re: Radiotronics, baby! > by "Mark P" > Re: Radiotronics, baby! > by "daniel farquharson" > who when smoke > by "daniel farquharson" > The Creation/nc > by "Mark P" > Re: Radiotronics, baby!/My poem about it 'Static' > by "Daniel Watkins" > Re: Another bloody fan review for AENT > by "Sue C" > Re: Another bloody fan review for AENT > by "lou" > Any seancer in Spain? sorry for the rest > by > one more sleep > by "Butler" > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Numbers lyrics >From: "Kevin J. Bonham" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:21:00 +1000 > >"Greg Hatmaker" wrote: > > >>On Hotel Womb, a person who most surmise to be The Man Himself, aka SK, >made it clear that it was "2 for the panzer crews," and subsequent listens >seem to confirm this to my ears.>> > >I like that much better because it rhymes perfectly with the previous line. In general I find that assuming Steve will pick a perfect rhyme if he can is effective. Also it is a much better line anyway. > >Amusing that this song has so many different hearings compared to the rest of the album. > >Cheers, Kevin. > >--- >Self-Appointed President, Oxydental Fan Club > > > > >Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Moron critic gets his own back :) >From: "Kevin J. Bonham" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:53:12 +1000 > >This guy is so sad, he's not even worth feeling angry about. A defective mouse that strayed into the path of a chuckling and callous sleepycat. I almost felt sorry for him as I posted the following to the message board of his site: > >------------------------------------ >Category: Music >From: Sleepycat >Subject: Reviewer review: Damon Peter Rallis > >I'm not ashamed to say that, in senior high, I was one of those "freaks" that the jocks would pick on because I hated to play sports, I "dressed funny," and my idea of a fun Saturday night was sitting at home alone with my extensive collection of music criticism. As I got older though, I eventually put away my Trouser Press, tore my Penguin Guide to Popular Music to shreds and jumped headfirst into my existence. > >Don't get me wrong, some of those critics helped shape the person that I am today and, once in a great while - usually when I'm feeling nostalgic - I'll revisit some of them. I'll think about everything that has happened to me in the past 12 years and I realize that I wouldn't change a thing. > >But the one down side to getting old, is watching your critics get old with you. I can't tell you how disappointing it was, three years ago, to see Q magazine giving Britney Spears three stars out of five. Someone should have put that fat cow (Britney and Q both actually) out to pasture years ago. > >Where am I going with this? Oh yeah... Damon Peter Rallis. What an appropriate reviewer name! > >Remember that review he wrote yesterday? At the risk of sounding cliche, (and I can't remember it or the band it reviewed because I know nothing about your site and just dropped in to take the piss out of your useless reviewer) it would definitely appear on my "Top 500 Reviews of Yesterday" list. That was a long time ago, however, and, I gotta tell ya, I can't believe that this guy has been pumping out a steady stream of reviews since fifteen minutes ago. For God's sake... go away already! > >I'm confident when I say that this reviewer will be a waste of your time. If you disagree, you're still holding on to the past. If this is the case, I beg you, seek professional help. > >- Kevin James Bonham. > >(Not sorry at all, Mr Rallis, but you have the unique honour of writing the stupidest, least logical, least well-argued review of the Church's new album. That you choose to bracket them with Fat Bob and that whiner Morrissey shows further how little you understand. Now, next time you want to review something, I have a real suggestion for you: > >****Talk about the music, and not yourself*** > >Is that really so difficult? > >and another one: > >*** Use actual evidence rather than simply complaining about a band lasting longer than anything you could ever hope to accomplish*** (Do I detect an envy complex here? Normally I wouldn't stoop to unsubstantiated psychological abuse, but hey, you started it :) ) > >Is that really so difficult? > >Readers: People like Rallis are an example of everything that is wrong with music criticism today. Go elsewhere if you want reviews that help you find the music you will love. > >---------------------------------------------- >Cheers, Kevin > >PS Well done Nick on finding the words written on the sign. > >--- >Self-Appointed President, Oxydental Fan Club > > > > >Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: AENT >From: "Rushby, L.A." >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:54:12 +0200 > >AENT & Dabble arrived Friday and I played AENT about 5 times over >the weekend. I like it, but wish it wasn't so muted. Invisible is >the standout track. I then listened to Dabble once and wished Steve's >vocals sounded like this on AENT. Much clearer and upfront. The >Silencer sounds like Drought from SA/SE. > > >Laureen > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: AENT (Seen It Coming) >From: "Mike Fulmer" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:36:47 -0500 > >At 10:47 PM -0800 2/10/02, Mark P wrote: > >Seen It Coming -- The third and final inclusion in the "Trilogy Of > >Poignancy" for yrs' truly. After Everything, Reprieve and this one. > >Steve's wearing his heart on his sleeve and I love it. "She said it's > >over, but it was over right from the start, you ain't gonna tell me > >that you were a saint everytime you took her apart, you blew your > >chance ..." ...whoa! I know I have ...soooo bloody many times! So so > >in the musical end of the pool ... again ... it's the lyrics ... > >although I would still love to hear this entire record sans the vocals > >... I think I'd be as stirred. Okay, maybe not quite as stirred but > >there's so much interplay and layers and tension here, musically. Love > >the fade out to this one too! > >Actually, the line is "You ain't gonna tell me that you were a saint >every time you two were apart." Implies the guy was sleeping around, >the woman found out and dumped him. Now the singer (SK) is trying to >console this loser friend of his. He says things like, "I know just >how it feels" and "You've got your broken heart, I've got mine" >implying the singer has done the same thing. Gotta think a few beers >are helping them through this, explaining why they "Feel so fine" >near the end. Thank God for Eve and Aurora! > >This song is a perfect climax for the album. Those guitars and vocals >soar! The last 50 seconds seemed odd at first, but they make a >seamless transition into Invisible. > > >I LOVE THIS ALBUM!!! > >Me too! > >Mike F. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: ****Warning Church Sign Spoiler**** >From: "Robert M. Holley" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:05:49 -0800 (PST) > >Fascinating! I grew up only 75 miles from Pensacola >and went to college there for four years at the >University of West Florida. I can remember many >nights getting stoned and listening to The Church on >the boombox while perched upon the dunes of the beach >there. > >Buddha > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Reid Wilson > > [mailto:psychodelic-art@excite.com] > > Sent: 08 February 2002 21:35 > > To: Nick Peters > > Subject: RE: Church question > > > > > > Hi > > > > Thanks for the kind words about The Church > > artwork...we are huge fans of the > > band ourselves, and were honored to create the look > > of the album. To answer > > your questions, all the photos were taken in > > Pensacola, Florida USA, which > > has some of the most beautiful beaches in the > > world...the sign says "no > > overnight camping"... > > > > Now you are one of the very few who know these > > details - feel free to spread > > the word! Thanks again for writing with your > > encouragement - its great to > > receive positive feedback about the album. > > > > Take care > > Ryan and Reid Wilson > > psychodelic art & design > > >===== >Robert M. Holley >Deltona, Fl. >http://communities.msn.com/CasaDelHckybuddha/ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Rothko >From: "Brian Hamill" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:22:23 -0500 > > "Tranquility live was so unbelievably great-it truly takes >awhile to make an educated opinion..their should be a disclaimer on AENT > >that says, ("CAUTION this product may grow on you") one artist that >comes to mind is Mark Rothko-you cannot experience his art on a printed >page OR on a computer screen -NO it is a PERSONAL experience and has to >be witnessed." > >And then you still might hate his work. That's why they're called >opinions. I find his work boring as hell. I might even say to someone >"that's boring" -I'm not rying to say that everyone has to agree, but >it's my assertion. I know plenty of people don't agree. Give me Paul >Klee, Frantisek Kupka or Klimt or any of 100 others. You've got to allow >people to feel passionate about this stuff without being hurt yourself. >They tried to teach me to appreciate an all-black painting last >semester. No way. The question was "How much more black could it be? And >the answer is none..none-more black." > >With love,--Brian H > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Tenacious D >From: "Brian Hamill" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:24:05 -0500 > >My Spinal Tap quote in the last post reminds me of Tenacious D. Anyone >else been listening to them? They're really funny. Anyway--Brian > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: eBay and bootlegs >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:46:46 -0500 > >Just to clarify - a seller won't be banned for selling boots, they will just have the item removed from bidding. But I don't think eBay really does care if people sell bootlegs, they just want to cover themselves by having a policy. Do a search for U2 and see how many boots are listed. Virtually every show from the Elevation tour has been or will be listed on eBay without any problem. Same goes for an artist like Dave Matthews and any other big band. If eBay really cared, they'd remove the shows. I don't see what one or two Church shows matter personally... Don't want it, don't buy it. > >Steve >KC, MO > > >Daniel Watkins wrote: > > It is not only illegal to sell cdrs of the bands work, >but it is also against ebay rules. The person would be >permanently kicked off of ebay. I doubt the band would >appreciate anyone selling their stuff on ebay for >exhorbitant amounts when they get none of the money. >dw > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Another bloody fan review for AENT >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:07:33 EST > >In a message dated 2/9/2002 3:06:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, >kascam@bigpond.com writes: > ><< Im not knocking the lyrics or singing...but does anyone else out there wish > we could also have an instrumental only version of this album?? .....as an > added extra. Sometimes I find myself just wanting to listen to just the > music. > > Sue >> > >You're not the only one, Sue! I feel this way too. Especially Repreive and >Night Friends. An extra song - instrumental - would have been a nice fit, >don't you think? > >You know, I think Steve had an interesting concept with Earthed, the >intsrumental album with the prose "on the side," lets you put them all >thogether in your own way, or keep them separate or whatever. At any rate, I >would LOVE to hear more instrumental work from them. > >Sandy > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Cartoon noise >From: "Jack Scanlon" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:38:13 -0800 (PST) > >Mahky wrote: > > >>Invisible -- Could do w/o the synthy stuff again ... > >>BUT that scratchy/"cartoon character" (Snidely?) > >>noise is it for >>me ... I love the way it never > >>lets up .. > >I believe the character in question is Snidely's dog, >Muttly. I also love the way it never lets up. > >Jack >Saturday Morning Cartoon Freak (Emeritus) > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Moron critic gets his own back :) >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:34:50 EST > >Utterly brilliant. Bravo. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: RE:AENT >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:32:37 +0000 > >NIGHT FRIENDS I Have just mailed privy magazine to show my utter disgust at their AENT review when they handed out brains they forgot that lot > >CHEERS DUNCAN xxxxxxx > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Grant McLennan?? >From: "Jesse Taylor" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:53:17 -0500 > > > >If you listen closely, it sounds like Grant McLennan singing backup vocals >on "Song for the Asking"... > >- jt > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Cartoon noise >From: "Mark P" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) > >Ching Ching, Jacko! > >I could picture the character but all I could see was the dastardly >villain Snidely Whiplash! > >That was Saturday morning cartooning the way it was meant to be, huh? > >The Banana Splits, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Josie and the Pussycats, >Scoobey Doo ... maybe even one of those British puppetty things like >Fireball XL-5 (I had a Fireball XL-5 lunchbox ...coolest one on the >school bus!) or Thunderbirds Are GO ...JOHNNY QUEST... how can I leave >out Johnny Quest! > >But then again ...today there's the Powerpuffs ...FIGHT FIGHT! ;-) > >Thanks Jack, that was bothering ,me, good heads up! > >Mark > > >--- Jack Scanlon wrote: > > Mahky wrote: > > > > >>Invisible -- Could do w/o the synthy stuff again ... > > >>BUT that scratchy/"cartoon character" (Snidely?) > > >>noise is it for >>me ... I love the way it never > > >>lets up .. > > > > I believe the character in question is Snidely's dog, > > Muttly. I also love the way it never lets up. > > > > Jack > > Saturday Morning Cartoon Freak (Emeritus) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > >===== >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: RE: Moron Reviewer >From: "guilty tyrant" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:16:16 -0500 > >Well I decided to take his advice since I > >happen to love this album > >and all others before it...I decided to seek > >out some professional help. > > >I sought out my local Clergyman and > >He told me it is totally normal... > >and it is encouraged to be in Love with The Church! > > >:) > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: AENT (Seen It Coming) >From: "Mark P" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) > > >Thanks, Mike! > >Sometimes I hear things that I want to hear ... but either way it >works, aye? ;-) > >Mark ...BTW ... you should know as yr doing a great job transcribing >those lyrics! > > > > > Actually, the line is "You ain't gonna tell me that you were a saint > > every time you two were apart." Implies the guy was sleeping around, > > the woman found out and dumped him. Now the singer (SK) is trying to > > console this loser friend of his. He says things like, "I know just > > how it feels" and "You've got your broken heart, I've got mine" > > implying the singer has done the same thing. Gotta think a few beers > > are helping them through this, explaining why they "Feel so fine" > > near the end. Thank God for Eve and Aurora! > > > > This song is a perfect climax for the album. Those guitars and vocals > > > > soar! The last 50 seconds seemed odd at first, but they make a > > seamless transition into Invisible. > > > > >I LOVE THIS ALBUM!!! > > > > Me too! > > > > Mike F. > > > > >===== >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Cartoon noise >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:38:07 EST > >Hey! > >Don't forget Sigmund The Sea Monster....Lidsville....& H. R Puffenstuff! Sid >& Marty >Kroft were genius. >Not to mention one of my fave kids (??) shows of all time....Lancelot Link & >The Secret Chimps! Just think a psychedelic band consisting of chimps >wearing wigs >and playing mini Stratocasters....with names like Sweetwater Gibbons, Mata >Hari and Banannas Marmoset!!!! >Now were talkin'! > >MB > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Cartoon noise >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:02:16 EST > >Can't forget some of the cool alternative stuff like The Little Rascals/Our Gang, Kimba The White Lion, Speed Racer, Johhny Sokko and his Giant Robot, Davy and Goliath, yeah I know religious, but cool claymation, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl, Wonder Bug, Dr. Cyclops, WACKO! and the good ole School House Rock! > >There are some pretty cool toons out now that are fun to watch other than the Powerpuff Girls. Stuff I've seen that I like are Samurai Jack, JLA(The new superfriends), The Ripping Friends(SPUMCO creation) and my personal favorite, Sealab 2021 on Adult Swim late night on the cartoon network. This last one has got to be the funniest thing I've seen, recycling an old cartoon(Sealab 2020) and adding some crazy script lines and plots. Erik Estrada does the voice of the hispanic character. Do a search on it and try to DL some episodes, trust me...you will be laughing so hard out loud that you might bust your gut. If you are easily offend by inane acts of stupidy and sexual innuendo, then don't bother. Otherwise, go for it. > >Ed >Seattle > > >In a message dated Mon, 11 Feb 2002 3:15:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mark P writes: > > > Ching Ching, Jacko! > > > > I could picture the character but all I could see was the dastardly > > villain Snidely Whiplash! > > > > That was Saturday morning cartooning the way it was meant to be, huh? > > > > The Banana Splits, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Josie and the Pussycats, > > Scoobey Doo ... maybe even one of those British puppetty things like > > Fireball XL-5 (I had a Fireball XL-5 lunchbox ...coolest one on the > > school bus!) or Thunderbirds Are GO ...JOHNNY QUEST... how can I leave > > out Johnny Quest! > > > > But then again ...today there's the Powerpuffs ...FIGHT FIGHT! ;-) > > > > Thanks Jack, that was bothering ,me, good heads up! > > > > Mark > > > > > > --- Jack Scanlon wrote: > > > Mahky wrote: > > > > > > >>Invisible -- Could do w/o the synthy stuff again ... > > > >>BUT that scratchy/"cartoon character" (Snidely?) > > > >>noise is it for >>me ... I love the way it never > > > >>lets up .. > > > > > > I believe the character in question is Snidely's dog, > > > Muttly. I also love the way it never lets up. > > > > > > Jack > > > Saturday Morning Cartoon Freak (Emeritus) > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Cartoon noise >From: "Mark P" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:02:37 -0800 (PST) > >Mikey, > >It's all that that molded us into the individuals we are today! > >GOD HELP US ALL! ;-) > >Ya know, I wonder if anything today could be that great! Pee Wee's >playhouse came close a few years back ... but that shoulda' been on >late night ... vicious stuff for young Staurday morning minds ... I'm >out of the loop when it comes to cartoons of the moment but I wonder if >there's anything around these days that can compare to that Sid and >Marty Kroft stuff. > >Marky ... wanna sleep over ...ask yr Mom, dude! > > > >--- MBaroneO@aol.com wrote: > > Hey! > > > > Don't forget Sigmund The Sea Monster....Lidsville....& H. R > > Puffenstuff! Sid > > & Marty > > Kroft were genius. > > Not to mention one of my fave kids (??) shows of all time....Lancelot > > Link & > > The Secret Chimps! Just think a psychedelic band consisting of > > chimps > > wearing wigs > > and playing mini Stratocasters....with names like Sweetwater Gibbons, > > Mata > > Hari and Banannas Marmoset!!!! > > Now were talkin'! > > > > MB > > > > >===== >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: eBay and bootlegs bootleg CD's are not automatically illegal >From: "Robert Holdridge" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:14:32 -0600 > >This Email group for Church fans has seen a few assumptions about bootleg >CD's. > >I am not defending anyone dealing with unauthorized live music recordings > bootleg ). Laws vary greatly around the world on this subject. >International laws are also inconsistent. A "bootleg" CD is not >automatically illegal. Many imported recordings available are perfectly >legal to sell, buy and own. > >See the following for further info: > >Bootleg: The Secret History of the Other Recording Industry >by Clinton Heylin. Some great history and detail on the subject. > >ICE Magazine Detail on all aspects of domestic and imputed releases > >RHoldridge > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Art and Cartoons (NC) >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:52:44 EST > > >--part1_fc.13872cda.2999972c_boundary >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 2/11/02 6:23:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, >bhamill@prolificom.net writes: > > > > Give me Paul > > Klee, Frantisek Kupka or Klimt or any of 100 others. You've got to allow > > people to feel passionate about this stuff without being hurt yourself. > > They tried to teach me to appreciate an all-black painting last > > semester. No way. The question was "How much more black could it be? And > > the answer is none..none-more black." > > > > > Paul Klee? PAUL KLEE? Are you nuts? - Hee, I'm just messin' with ya. My >classes never like Paul Klee though. I just have one question though: How DO >you teach someone to appreciate an all black painting? Perhaps my teaching >skills could be enhanced if I knew. When I showed Kazimir Malevich's "White >on White" I basically let them all laugh, and I laughed too. Then when I told >them how many millions of dollars his works can go for, we stopped laughing. > >Hey - speaking of cartoons - has anyone mentioned that incredibly >sophisticated and technically impressive show "Land of the Lost"? Man I >really enjoyed that one. Those sets - the realism! The sleastacks (sp?)!!!!! >Nothing like a big bowl of sugary cereal and Saturday morning cartoons. I >miss being 7 years old. : / > >Denise > > > >--part1_fc.13872cda.2999972c_boundary >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 2/11/02 6:23:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, bhamill@prolificom.net writes: > > > > Give me Paul >> >Klee, Frantisek Kupka or Klimt or any of 100 others. You've got to allow >> >people to feel passionate about this stuff without being hurt yourself. >> >They tried to teach me to appreciate an all-black painting last >> >semester. No way. The question was "How much more black could it be? And >> >the answer is none..none-more black." >> > >> > > Paul Klee? PAUL KLEE? Are you nuts? - Hee, I'm just messin' with ya. My classes never like Paul Klee though. I just have one question though: How DO you teach someone to appreciate an all black painting? Perhaps my teaching skills could be enhanced if I knew. When I showed Kazimir Malevich's "White on White" I basically let them all laugh, and I laughed too. Then when I told them how many millions of dollars his works can go for, we stopped laughing. > >Hey - speaking of cartoons - has anyone mentioned that incredibly sophisticated and technically impressive show "Land of the Lost"? Man I really enjoyed that one. Those sets - the realism! The sleastacks (sp?)!!!!! Nothing like a big bowl of sugary cereal and Saturday morning cartoons. I miss being 7 years old. : / > >Denise > > > >--part1_fc.13872cda.2999972c_boundary-- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: craigie*... i lost your addy n.c. >From: "ms. netochka nezvanova" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:21:58 -0500 > >erskine- > >have a fab birthday, soul bro'. i hope you are still subbed here...? > >anyone in the know of his address, deluge him with well wishes for the 11th. >i have misplaced my lil black book of DOOM, but i recalled his birthdate! > >neto > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: eBay and bootlegs bootleg CD's are not automatically illegal >From: >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:59:58 EST > > > >Yes, I bought this when it first came out. I swear by it and recommend it to anyone who is curious about bootlegs or collects them, not to metion the laws and the nuances among bootlegs, pirates and counterfeits. I know some of the people that are mentioned in there. I use to buy my 'gems' from these guys back in my days of record conventions in L.A. > > > >Yes, this is a great source for information on new releases in the underground market. As a matter of fact, I know the guy that runs that column and let me tell you, his collection of bootlegs must be the biggest in the world. He has stuff lying around and still unopened. I guess he gets a lot of mail sent to him from bootleg manufacturers. >I have yet to get the Pink Floyd demos from the Wall...I hear those are amazing. He has a copy waiting for me. >Also, he has another side hobby, recording live shows from local venues, straight from the board. Now that I know the Church are playing at a certain venue here, I'm gonna ask him if he can record that show for me, which I think he might enjoy. > >E >Seattle > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: more aent >From: "spirit stiff" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:35:34 -0600 > >nightfriends: grind reference? anyone else hear it? kinda sticks out like >a sore thumb if you ask me. funny, because one of the things i thought >initially was that this album had a GAF air to it. dont ask me why. >also, side liner note question: who's kk (the very special thanks)? >trivia?: rpm studios (ny) was home to the mixing for ultravividscene's >'rev' album, and im sure other albums as well. >thumbsup for clayton dooley. nice one. adding, not subtracting, to the >tunes, imo. and david lane too, of course. >no overnight camping?!? hah! > >night-night. >fen. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world,s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: craigie*... i lost your addy n.c. >From: "Mark P" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:47:06 -0800 (PST) > >Yikes! > >It's The Starman's b-day! Happy b-day Mr Starman! > >If you are indeed subbed I just got in my possession TODAY (on your >b-day, how apropos!)one of our faves, craigie ...the late great Charlie >Pickett and the Eggs - Live @ The Button!!!!! I'm ALL Cowboy Junkie >Au-Go Go you funky rock n roll junkie man you! > >And we still gotta' catch that big Let's Active show in the sky >together someday, brother! > >Rock On, cw! Many returns! > >m > > >--- "ms. netochka nezvanova" wrote: > > erskine- > > > > have a fab birthday, soul bro'. i hope you are still subbed here...? > > > > anyone in the know of his address, deluge him with well wishes for > > the 11th. > > i have misplaced my lil black book of DOOM, but i recalled his > > birthdate! > > > > neto > > > > >===== >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: aent and mems >From: "daniel farquharson" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:13:05 +0000 > >i love this album, dreamy and atmospheric, just my kinda thing..now here's >an odd comparison; "minor earth/major sky" and "after everything, now this"- >have similar atmospheres, or am i the only one who finds them similar, not >exact, just similar. >thoughts? daniel f > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world,s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: answer to the critics >From: "Jonathan Sargeant" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:43:25 +1000 > >On the Big Heavy Stuff list, Jaime wrote... > >I cant understand why. Steve Kilbey still has the gift and they have the > >players but the the whole isnt greater than the sum of the parts anymore? > >Polley from the band emailed back and said... > >Jaime, > >I think the problem is called HEROIN. I would love to play with them > >though., > >Polley > >Ignoring the more obvious theme from this exchange, it must be nice to be on >a list that the band actively participates in, in one sense. >Having said that, maybe our discussion would be , umm, stifled by this? >A number of us have been aware that Church band members were listening in at >one time or another. Maybe its better if they eavesdrop without us >knowing... >Jonathan S > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Radiotronics, baby! >From: "Dave Swaringen" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:24:04 -0500 > >Speaking of Radiotronics and having been a Shortwave Radio listener >and Ham Radio Operator for 30+ yrs, um.., I like it. I remember talking >about Radiotronics to either Peter or Tim after a show, but my memory >will not rewind and play back the details for me. Some really spacy >noises can be heard out on the radio bands. A dash of some morse code, >the essence of fading, and a smidgeon of distortion all provides for some >coolo sounds. Adrian Belew had some wacky stuff on Desire Caught by >the Tail. There were some sections where I thought he certainly recorded >sounds from the Short Wave or was influenced enough to create his own >sounds. I mean, come on, what sound couldn't Adrian make? If he he wanted >to play a fart through his guitar, excuse my language, I'm sure he wouldn't >have any problems at all. > >One new thread to start up: what songs have had sounds coming from a >radio? I'm sure some of you have heard Ten Years After 'Baby Won't You >Let Me' from A Space In Time. At the beginning you can hear what sounds like >a radio tuning until it passes this song, then it goes right back to the >song. Good stuff. Any others? > >Dave > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Radiotronics, baby! >From: "Mark P" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:14:30 -0800 (PST) > > >--- Dave Swaringen wrote: > > > > > One new thread to start up: what songs have had sounds coming from a > > radio? I'm sure some of you have heard Ten Years After 'Baby Won't > > You > > Let Me' from A Space In Time. At the beginning you can hear what > > sounds like > > a radio tuning until it passes this song, then it goes right back to > > the > > song. Good stuff. Any others? > > > > Dave > >Be Bop Deluxe - Modern Music - Radio noizes all over the album. > >Buzzcocks - Another Kind Of Tension - end of the album, "Radio Nine" >they call it, all thirty some seconds of it, you hear the radio >shifting frequencies to the strains of "Everybody's Happy Nowadays" and >"Why Can't I Touch It" which were prior releases. I thought that was >cool as hell twenty some years ago, still do as a matter of fact. > >m > >===== >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: RE: Radiotronics, baby! >From: "Hayden Scott" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:25:43 +1100 > >I seem to recall a bit of radio tuning on Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" >(the album), although I can't exactly remember where. > >Hayden > >-----Original Message----- >From: seance@lists.no-fi.com [mailto:seance@lists.no-fi.com]On Behalf Of >Dave Swaringen >Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2002 3:24 PM >To: Seance List >Subject: Radiotronics, baby! > > >Speaking of Radiotronics and having been a Shortwave Radio listener >and Ham Radio Operator for 30+ yrs, um.., I like it. I remember talking >about Radiotronics to either Peter or Tim after a show, but my memory >will not rewind and play back the details for me. Some really spacy >noises can be heard out on the radio bands. A dash of some morse code, >the essence of fading, and a smidgeon of distortion all provides for some >coolo sounds. Adrian Belew had some wacky stuff on Desire Caught by >the Tail. There were some sections where I thought he certainly recorded >sounds from the Short Wave or was influenced enough to create his own >sounds. I mean, come on, what sound couldn't Adrian make? If he he wanted >to play a fart through his guitar, excuse my language, I'm sure he wouldn't >have any problems at all. > >One new thread to start up: what songs have had sounds coming from a >radio? I'm sure some of you have heard Ten Years After 'Baby Won't You >Let Me' from A Space In Time. At the beginning you can hear what sounds like >a radio tuning until it passes this song, then it goes right back to the >song. Good stuff. Any others? > >Dave > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Radiotronics, baby! >From: "Tara" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:03:23 -0500 > > > > > One new thread to start up: what songs have had sounds coming from a > > > radio? I'm sure some of you have heard Ten Years After 'Baby Won't > > > You > > > Let Me' from A Space In Time. At the beginning you can hear what > > > sounds like > > > a radio tuning until it passes this song, then it goes right back to > > > the > > > song. Good stuff. Any others? > > > > > > Dave > >First thought: > >"Wish You Were Here" by the Floyd! >also Morrissey's "I Know It's Going to Happen Someday" from Your Arsenal >has radio sounds at the beginning > >Those are the only two that immediately come to mind, though I'm pretty >sure that the Floyd have used radio sound effects on other songs. > >Tara > > > >"That's all changed. I've been exposed to myself now, I don't have to go >about doing it to others." -- David St. Hubbins > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Radiotronics, baby! >From: "Mark P" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:59:31 -0800 (PST) > > >Tommy Keene's "Places That Are Gone" is another one that starts out >with radio ga ga ...Russ Hodges flipping out over "the Giants winning >the pennant" against the Dodgers back in 51. > >NO ...I wasn't there! > >m > >===== >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Radiotronics, baby! >From: "daniel farquharson" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:26:25 +0000 > >rock and roll radio-the ramones >wish you were here-pink floyd >i know i've heard some others!....jerichohawk > > > >From: Mark P > >Reply-To: markp@mitchworldusa.net > >To: Dave Swaringen , Seance List > > > >Subject: Re: Radiotronics, baby! > >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:14:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >--- Dave Swaringen wrote: > > > > > > > > One new thread to start up: what songs have had sounds coming from a > > > radio? I'm sure some of you have heard Ten Years After 'Baby Won't > > > You > > > Let Me' from A Space In Time. At the beginning you can hear what > > > sounds like > > > a radio tuning until it passes this song, then it goes right back to > > > the > > > song. Good stuff. Any others? > > > > > > Dave > > > >Be Bop Deluxe - Modern Music - Radio noizes all over the album. > > > >Buzzcocks - Another Kind Of Tension - end of the album, "Radio Nine" > >they call it, all thirty some seconds of it, you hear the radio > >shifting frequencies to the strains of "Everybody's Happy Nowadays" and > >"Why Can't I Touch It" which were prior releases. I thought that was > >cool as hell twenty some years ago, still do as a matter of fact. > > > >m > > > >===== > >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > >http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: who when smoke >From: "daniel farquharson" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:00:25 +0000 > > >hey all- how many folks on seance smoke herb!? >curious daniel > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: The Creation/nc >From: "Mark P" >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:50:34 -0800 (PST) > >http://www.ijamming.net/Music/TheCreation.html > >I was at that show last November and it was fabulous! This is a great >article/review I just found written by none other than Tony Fletcher so >it makes it all the more special! > >This was a MAJOR event in my life and to find it reviewed by this guy >is great! Hope you can relate ... I have snapshots of this show that >still amaze me just looking at them. There were many video cameras >there ... I'd do anything to get a copy of this show either video or >audio ... it was just so absolutely a highpoint! I actually purchased >my Creation t-shirt from Tony Barber who was plying bass for The >Creation that night ... he also basses for The Buzzcocks and the abfab >Airport. > >And ... read the rest of Jamming too ...great online sine ... cool >articles all the place! > >'nite > >m > >===== >Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst > > http://www.mitchworldusa.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Radiotronics, baby!/My poem about it 'Static' >From: "Daniel Watkins" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:27:23 -0800 (PST) > >I can fall asleep easily to a fading am or shortwave >radio signal. Beautiful - one of the most serene >sounds I know. The fading of an old am station >somewhere distant. Gives me the same feeling that UTMW >used to... Solitary, alone in the world - at peace. I >even wrote a poem about it (below). Hope you don't >mind! >dw > >God's world be still, for a change - for something >different. Stop the shifting, stop the struggling and >just turn; quietly, peacefully keep your time. >Quietly, peacefully - let your lesson have already >been learned. God's world be still and pretend we all >belong; we are pressed together, devided at will... >live for a reason or die on the side of a hill where >the snow keeps falling and covers up all that we've >done until some other season. Wait in darkness, wait >for morning... Quietly, peacefully keep your time - >your perfect time. Quietly, peacefully - let it be >forgotten by everyone concerned. God's world be still; >still and quiet, ready to listen, ready to learn from >the silence - and for once no one speaks. I wish this >could go on for weeks, for months, for years just >receiving static - just white noise just snow on a >hillside. God's world be still for a change... > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Another bloody fan review for AENT >From: "Sue C" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:49:41 +1100 > >Sandy, > >Last night I was taping AENT and listening on my headphones at the same >time - the music is just totally mindblowing when you listen close up. And I >could now hear Marty's lovely backing vocals better. I now find that the >songs 'Reprieve', Night Friends and Invisible (which didn't grab me at >first!) are absolute classics...and 'Invisible' is almost the perfect song - >everything about it is just gorgeous! > >It's disappointing about the album not showing up in stores - wont help >sales. Also wondering about the next single?? Some may disagree, but they've >just got to get a video together if they want the album to go anywhere - >hope its on their agenda to squeeze one in! Marty's staying in Glebe if any >Sydneysiders want to do some Marty-spotting. > > >Sue > > > > > You're not the only one, Sue! I feel this way too. Especially Repreive >and > > Night Friends. An extra song - instrumental - would have been a nice fit, > > don't you think? > > Sandy > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: Another bloody fan review for AENT >From: "lou" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:25:30 +1100 > >damn straight, bring on a vid... > >btw Sue, any news on why the guys are doing Canberra and not Sydney before >the o/s tour? did they get sick of us hanging around at the Basement or >something? ;) > >later, >Lou, who'll try and fit in some extra art student latte-sipping in Glebe >this weekend... > >At 07:49 PM 2/12/02 +1100, Sue C wrote: > > >It's disappointing about the album not showing up in stores - wont help > >sales. Also wondering about the next single?? Some may disagree, but they've > >just got to get a video together if they want the album to go anywhere - > >hope its on their agenda to squeeze one in! Marty's staying in Glebe if any > >Sydneysiders want to do some Marty-spotting. > > > > > >Sue > > >come up and see my etchings...no, really... >http://www.geocities.com/loubottle/ > >CD launch - for gig review and setlist go to >http://www.geocities.com/matt_finish_site/ > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Any seancer in Spain? sorry for the rest >From: >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:34:25 GMT > >Me avisan de telentrada.com, donde adquiri >entradas para el concierto de Madrid, >que se ha suspendido y no les han dado la >razon de por que. Alguien sabe algo? Alguna >alternativa (que no sea Mallorca, que me pilla >a desmano)? > >Un saludo a >todos > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: one more sleep >From: "Butler" >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:07:36 +1100 > >until the tilleys gig in canberra >whoopee > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >End of Seance Digest > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here